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Kent Fowler offers his presentation on deer and Lyme disease at Tuesday's RMA meeting.

[News brief published Aug. 20] The Rancho Murieta Association addressed concerns about the deer population here by hosting a panel with representatives from state departments of Food and Agriculture, Public Health, and Fish and Wildlife at its meeting Tuesday.

Kent Fowler, a resident who is chief of the animal health branch of the California Department of Food and Agriculture, organized the presentation on deer and Lyme disease. As a first step toward gaining information about the herd’s state of health and whether Lyme disease-transmitting ticks are present, Fowler and others on the panel recommended selecting and killing four to six deer with apparent health problems and performing necropsies on the animals.  Fowler said it was up to the RMA board to authorize moving forward with this plan.

Panel members from the Department of Public Health provided information about Lyme disease. To date, vector control evaluations of the tick population in Rancho Murieta have netted no disease-carrying ticks, biologist Bryan Jackson reported.

An audience of 30 attended the hour-long presentation.

Ticks and Lyme disease

There are 47 species of ticks in California and of these, only eight bite humans, said Dr. Anne Kjemtrup, specialist in vector-borne diseases with the California Department of Public Health. The western black-legged tick is the one that transmits Lyme disease. "We don't have a lot of those in this area," she noted. Other ticks -- the Pacific Coast tick and the American dog tick -- are more plentiful.

Lyme disease is caused by a bacteria, Borrelia burgdorferi, and non-specific flu-like symptoms can make the disease hard to diagnose. A rash is identified with the disease, and an allergic reaction to the bite can also occur.  Other symptoms are palpitations, facial paralysis, joint swelling, and problems with memory and concentration. If the early symptoms aren't treated, the disease may progress and be more difficult to treat.

"Humans become infected when they are out where these nymphs or adults are found and they can unfortunately get fed upon," Kjemtrup said. "The role that the deer play … is that they're an amplifier of the ticks. If you have more deer, you'll have more ticks. It doesn't mean you'll have more infected ticks."

Adult ticks are often found on the uphill side of trails in the deciduous, hardwood forest, a habitat that requires moisture. In California, western black-legged ticks are found along the coast and higher in the Sierra Nevada, Kjemtrup said. "Out here, in grasslands, you're not going to find them. It's way too hot and dry for them."

The tiny, poppy-seed-sized nymphs are found under trees and on wood products, like picnic benches. "They're up there looking for lizards, which they really prefer to eat on," Kjemtrup said. Adult ticks are found on grasses and low plants.

A substance in the blood of lizards kills the Borrelia bacteria, "so if a nymphal tick feeds on that, the lizard clears the infection and now our adult is clean. … They're cleaning our ticks here in California…," she explained.

Adult ticks and nymphs are collected and tested for bacteria. The incidence of infected ticks and cases of Lyme disease are tracked by the Department of Public Health. "Like most infectious diseases, it's probably underreported,"Kjemtrup said of the incidence of Lyme disease. There are about 100 confirmed cases in California each year she said.

Fowler described the East Coast, Wisconsin and Minnesota as "high-risk" for Lyme disease while "the whole West Coast is what would be classed as a low-risk situation." He said infected ticks have been found in 42  California counties, "but at a very low prevalence in our county."

Other than people, horses and dogs are most likely to be diagnosed with Lyme disease, Fowler said, and the animals' symptoms can fit a lot of diseases.

Jackson said he had spoken to Sacramento-Yolo Mosquito and Vector Control District was told the agency was recently called out to Rancho Murieta to collect and test ticks. None were found to have Lyme disease bacteria, Jackson said.

Deer health

"We have a large deer population in Rancho Murieta without question," said Fowler. He doesn't consider it a healthy one, based on a list of conditions he's observed during the five years he's lived here. The prevalence of lame deer has a lot of possible causes, he said, some of them diseases that could get into the livestock population.

"I feel that the way to go is to find out answers, rather than guessing what's going on," he said, "and I really think that we're at that point with our deer population here in Rancho Murieta that we need to know exactly what's going on … so that we can hopefully improve the health status of the deer population here."

He proposed getting answers by killing four to six deer that had health issues and performing necropsies.

Dr. Ben Gonzales, senior wildlife veterinarian for the Department of Fish and Wildlife, said in his work he has encountered deer virus outbreaks in different parts of the state -- Redding, Humboldt, Sonoma. "These are typically populations where there's a lot of deer in a small amount of space," he said. "A lot of these are fed deer." In addition to virus outbreaks, he's observed a hair loss syndrome caused by lice. "These are diseases that happen when the deer density gets too high," he said.  Fowler told him about the numbers of deer here and, "Based on that, I'd say there's too many deer here," Gonzales said.

Brian Patrick, Fish and Wildlife district warden for the south Sacramento County, commented that feeding deer or any big game is illegal. Gonzales explained it's illegal because of the baiting issue, and because it supports a population that can't be sustained.

Helayna Pera, wildlife biologist for Fish and Wildlife, said, "I get phone calls all the time regarding mountain lion sightings in this area all around the Cosumnes. … You're essentially attracting mountain lions by feeding deer."

"Feeding deer … is really not good for the deer population, and it's not good for the people around them," Gonzales said. He supported Fowler's suggestion to take out four to six "sickly" deer and said an expert at a state lab in Davis would evaluate the status of their health.

Public comments

John Merchant, a 29-year resident, told the panel there were more deer now, and the herd had "gotten rattier and rattier over time. They do all limp, and they are full of lice." He described the issue as a "third rail": "You have one side here that wants them all exterminated and the other side that doesn't want to touch Bambi, and somewhere in the middle is probably the proper place to be. So I think it's a great discourse."

Nick Burton said shortly after moving here in 2005, his wife was stricken with a "classic case of Lyme disease. … We're not sure whether she contracted it here in Rancho Murieta, but it makes sense. Additionally, it's not just the deer. We have a huge population of other little furry creatures out here which … carry the Lyme disease bacteria." Burton said his wife went from being a marathon runner to being "homebound and disabled." He proposed culling the herd and removing brush in the common area to reduce the deer population.

RMA Director Sam Somers Sr. asked if there was a legal way to reduce herd. Fish and Wildlife representatives said the options included archery hunting.

President Jim Moore asked if Fish and Wildlife could come out and conduct a controlled hunt.

Pera said Fish and Wildlife could cull animals from the herd with RMA board approval and a proposal from the board.  Gonzales said the plan would need the approval of  a Fish and Wildlife "higher-up."

"We would have sharpshooters out here," he said. "These are people who really know what they're doing who would cull the deer as opposed to hunt the deer."

Pera added,  "We would have law enforcement with us. We would do this discretely. We don't like it when the media comes around. That's our worst nightmare...."

Gonzales told the board, "If you perceive it as a problem, we want to help you with the problem. … How about if we just get approval from you to just take a few deer for disease diagnostics. I think it's a really big step. I think it will give us information as to the condition of the herd out here. … I think it's a very dangerous road we're on here with this overpopulation."

Fowler said, "I think that is the logical, scientific way to go about this. Let's see what we've got, let's take several deer, let's see what the Lyme disease, the tick situation is, let's see what's going on disease-wise with the deer. … I don't think anybody up here wants to eradicate the deer. Everybody enjoys having the wildlife out here. … I think that four to six animals selectively taken would provide us (with) a lot of information."

Kjemtrup advised waiting for fall, because "You're not going to find any ticks on them now."

Other matters the board considered at its monthly meeting included:

  • The North Gate project goes to bid Monday, General Manager Greg Vorster said. The RMA plans to award the contract for construction of the relocated gate house and redesigned entrance Sept. 15.
  • A letter of introduction has been sent to members about Greenfield Communications taking over operation of the RMA-owned cable TV and broadband system and installing a fiber-to-the-home upgrade. The 20-year lease begins Sept. 1, General Manager Greg Vorster reported, and at that time, the RMA cable staff will become employees of Greenfield.
  • A board goal-setting session has been set for 6 p.m. Aug. 26 at the RMA Building. One of the suggested goals is installation of a dock at Laguna Joaquin.
  • The board approved renewal of a contract for ESPN and Disney channels. Current cable TV contracts will remain in effect until the fiber-to-the-home cable system is in place, Communications chair Bob Lucas said. The existing contracts become the responsibility of Greenfield Communications when the lease agreement with RMA takes effect Sept. 1,  according to Lucas and President Jim Moore.
  • The board approved contracts for RMA insurance coverage that total $66,516, a savings of $9,671 over last year, according to General Manager Greg Vorster.
  • RMA bingo will be held 1 p.m. Saturday at Summerfest.

Dan Lubeck's picture
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No point in killing the deer...need to kill off the ticks

We have lived throughout California for the past 60 years and deer are just part of the package. There is no evidence that reducing deer count is going to slow down the Lyme Disease issue...in fact it has been published by the CDC that this only tends to increase the amount of tick activity.

So you reduce the deer population...the ticks find a new host like birds, squirrels, mice, foxes and people. Then you have less deer but a higher concentration of ticks on the deer and again on the new hosts including people....so if Lyme Disease is present your infection rate might go up. 

Apparently the ticks need to be reduced earlier in their development or focus on what transmits the Lyme Disease to the ticks not the deer. Another point from the CDC is that the mice actually transmit the disease to the ticks not the deer....they are just hosts.

Seems like some people here at RM are concerned about the deer eating their landscaping so maybe if the issue can be raised about lyme disease and of course it is the deers fault then lets kill off the deer.

My family like the deer and that is one of the reasons we like living at Rancho Murieta. We sympathise with anyone who has contracted the Lyme disease and hope their exposure is limited and a full recovery occurs....however the deer do not cause the problem.

Dan

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Myrna Solomon's picture
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the meeting was very informative

I went to the meeting last Tuesday night and many experts were there and one in particular talked about the cycle of the tick and who the hosts are. Also, the deer out here have more issues than ticks. If you weren't at the meeting, I'd encourage everyone to watch it on channel 5.

Myrna Solomon

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Deer

I'm worried about the wildlife.... remember when we had "Lakes, a river, miles of biking trails, and WILDLIFE" ? It seems that the wildlife has been removed when "advertising"  the attributes of the community. I wonder....

Jan Bach

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Excellent Reporting

Excellent reporting ranchomurieta.com. 

I believe the approach proposed and reported is the best way to understand what is happening with the deer herd in Rancho Murieta.  I certainly do not want any native species eliminated here but we obviously have an over-population problem with the deer.  Something has changed with the deer herd since my parents moved her in 1986 and I moved here in 2002 and now.  I see deer on a daily basis, which was rare in 1986 and the number of sickly lame deer I do see approaches 25% as a lay observer. 

A smaller healthier herd seems to be the best way to manage the deer and possibly reduce the chance of contracting lyme disease from a known host. 

I look forward to additional information as it becomes available. 

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Deer

I do think there is a lot of inbreeding within the deer population, which isn't good.  But as far as lame, that can be as simple as being hit by a car resulting in an injured or broken leg that didn't heal properly.  Or injured as a fawn when stuck in wrought iron fencing.   How do you distinguish where the lameness came from, those deer injured deer could be completely healthy which will skew your testing.

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Necropsy Will Determine

Whether a deer is lame from being hit, stuck in a fence or genetic is indicative of something that is happening to a population that is not healthy.  Obviously over-population will increase the number of sick, injured and lame deer especially in an unnatural deer environment such as ours.  

A necropsy can determine what causes lameness in a deer.

I saw a buck a few weeks ago with antlers growing down over it's face.  I don't think that is normal.

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A reasonable solution

First of all, I thought this was a very well written article.  It lays out the decision we have to make.  A huge part of life in Rancho Murieta is the wildlife.  That is a big appeal, and is part of what makes our community unique. We now have to decide if we want to keep our bloated, diseased herd of deer as it is, or create a smaller, healthier herd.  I think we would all opt for a healthier group of animals.  Unfortunately the real decision comes when we discuss the implimentation. 

I doubt anyone wants to see any of the deer killed, but we have to look at the bigger picture.  Protecting these individuals is harmful to the rest of the deer population, and places the human residents at risk.  It is a necessary, yet unfortunate thing that MUST be done.  The sick and lame deer in Rancho Murieta would never live if it weren't for human intervention.  The community provides an artificial sourse of food, and protection from predators.  As the population continues to grow, it is only a matter of time before hungry lions start hunting these easy targets amongst our homes.  Once that starts, we will have a much bigger problem on our hands. 

The other concern is the lyme disease.  Just as the lush plants and lawns bring the deer, the deer bring the ticks, and the ticks bring disease.  I realize that deer aren't the only host, but they are undoubtably a prominant one.  If you remove the food source for the ticks, you remove the magnet that draw the ticks into our community. 

Thinning the herd of the sick and lame individuals will strengthen the herd, both now and in future generations.  It will also keep our residents safe from disease and the mountain lions in the area.

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Deer - antler growing down

Deformed

Mac, we had a deer similar to your description back in 2009 but haven't seen him since.

Jeff Barnes's picture
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deer problem /Lyme

I find it interesting all the interest in this coming from people in the community that dont understand the approach Dr Fowler has suggested for RM. Many of the comments against doing the study come from people that did not attend the meeting . If you were at the meeting , you would have witnessed the DFG biologist comment , he made a qucik drive thru the north side of RM before the meeting and had no doubt our herd is in trouble and we have a problem. I spoke to him after the  meeting and he indicated we have enough deer here for property 20 times the size of RM. I suggest you let the experts in this do their jobs and do not make statements that are invalid just because you like deer. 

I suggest you also make a point to reach out to Mr. Burton or myself if you want a lesson on why we are concerned for this community as our families have contracted lyme while living here. It is very disturbing to me that people that are not living the life of a lyme victum and watching kids lives being destroyed as they struggle to survive as this nasty disease takes its toll, be quick to point out information they read in a CDC report is the law of the land. I can shoot holes in any report by any agency dealing with lyme as I have spent the last 3 years searching for answers for my family and friends that also have lyme living in the gates of RM . Take the time to watch a video of Olympic Freestyle skier Angeli VanLaanen on her bout with lyme. You can google it to watch. 

I urge the board to quickly take the suggestion of the 9 person panel and get some answers for us. DR Fowler is an expert and he lives in RM. Get a clue people, we will not hurt a herd that is 20 times the size of normal, by hand selecting the 4 to 6 that show signs of disease and study them to better  balance of the herd. Do you understand by doing nothing, they will die anyway and take down the rest of the herd?

As a community we need to band together and get answers. 

jeff

Jeff 

Beth Buderus's picture
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I'm okay with their proposal

Jeff, in case you and others are assuming that I'm against what they propose to do...I am not.  

Maybe I made the wrong assumption thinking that "lame" meant limping, that was my only concern.

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Information is good to have...

My first dog had Lyme, which was contracted either here or at a christmas tree farm just up the hill near Placerville.  When the specialist told me what to test my current dog for, he said that they see some lyme in dogs, but more anaplasmosis, ehrlichia, and some bartonella, so I'm wondering if other tick diseases will be tested for?  Might as well know what risk we really have out here, funding permitting?  I know in Folsom awhile back they found a fairly high prevalence of tularemia in those ticks there.  I believe that several residents had a different type of Borrellia (can't recall right now, might have been from a soft tick)?   I know that there are different types of Borrellia strains/species (not sure what the right word is) that are found in CA, so I hope that at least those could be distinguished.

 

I think there are two issues here - the deer, and the tick diseases.   While there is some overlap, I don't think they are entirely the same issue?  So, are we studying the deer to get at an idea of lyme disease, or are people using the Lyme as an issue to cull the deer, which many have been wanting to do for quite some time?  I think we need to make sure that our question and goals here are well-defined.

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Deer problem/Lyme

Thanks for the factual insights, Jeff - I couldn't agree more! I'm sorry for your personal situation with this.

Myrna Solomon's picture
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deer or people??

Thanks for your comments Jeff, Nick is my neighbor and knew his family from working at the bank.  Nicks wife has suffered for years before finally being tested for Lymes Desease. This community is always helping those who have suffered in some way..and yet, because it might involve some sick deer, some people are losing their humanity and empathy. Please watch the meeting!!

Myrna Solomon

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Deer and Ticks and Lyme, oh my!

First, let me say that I know and very much like Nick Burton and am aware of the struggles he and his wife have gone through over the past years with her Lyme Disease.  I do not in any way intend to diminish what they are going through with my comments.  It is very hard on both of them and I wish there was a reliable way to alleviate her pain and illness.

Second, thanks RM.com for an excellent report on the discussion.  I was unable to attend and appreciate the thorough reporting.

That said, I have my own feelings about the deer issue.  Like Beth, I equated lame with limping, so I've learned something new already.  I also have noticed the odd antler growth and thought something had to be amiss with the breeding.

In the past I have railed in response to those who wanted to erradicate the deer because they were eating their landscaping.  I also objected to the idea of having hunters come out to 'thin' the herd, in part because I am not in favor of indiscriminate hunting.  Beyond my philosophical feelings about hunting, if the deer are sick, should anyone be hunting them for food?

However, I support the proposal put forth by Dr. Fowler to selectively kill and necropsy four to six deer and think it will be a worthwhile effort.  I do not want to be without the deer, but I do want them to be healthier than they appear to be.  The results of the necropsies will allow us to develop a well-thought out and applied plan to help the deer.

In the comments here, I still hear people concerned about Lyme disease associated with the deer.  Even Nick says he and his wife aren't sure she contracted Lyme here.  The other gentleman whose kids have been diagnosed with Lyme said in a different post that the family previously lived on a 6000 acre deer farm.  Perhaps they were infected there.  A recent article in the Sacramento Bee featured two young women in Folsom who have both been diagnosed with Lyme.  Their doctors have concluded that they were each infected years ago when they lived in different mid-West states and that the infection, which the doctors say can lay dormant in the human body for years before being triggered by another event, becomes active.  I can't know the reliability of these doctor's statements, but it is not unlike several feline diseases that are dormant in the cat from exposure, but don't become active until years later. 

In fact, I'm watching the final round of the golf tournament in New Jersey.  There are about 30 people all using hands and feet to search for a player's ball in the long rough.  The announcers just commented on how many ticks there would be in that grass, especially at this time of year - it's just a fact of life there - and that's an area where they have to seriously worry about Lyme Disease.

I've copied a few selected paragraphs from the write-up above.  If you read them, you will see that Lyme disease from deer or other animals (as Nick Burton said, we have lots of furry little animals that carry ticks) is not our big problem with the deer, though perhaps a handy red-herring continued to be used by those wanting the deer to disappear.

Let's not focus on the red-herring, but the thing that will get us the most beneft - helping our herd of beautiful deer return to health and establishing a plan that will keep the herd healthy for years to come.

Much as I sympathize with those suffering with Lyme disease and wish them well, we are never going to erradicate all ticks, rodents or pests, even if we never saw another deer in the community.  It's part of life living in the outback. 

From the write-up above:

There are 47 species of ticks in California and of these, only eight bite humans, said Dr. Anne Kjemtrup, specialist in vector-borne diseases with the California Department of Public Health. The western black-legged tick is the one that transmits Lyme disease. "We don't have a lot of those in this area," she noted. Other ticks -- the Pacific Coast tick and the American dog tick -- are more plentiful.

There are 47 species of ticks in California and of these, only eight bite humans, said Dr. Anne Kjemtrup, specialist in vector-borne diseases with the California Department of Public Health. The western black-legged tick is the one that transmits Lyme disease. "We don't have a lot of those in this area," she noted. Other ticks -- the Pacific Coast tick and the American dog tick -- are more plentiful.

"The role that the deer play … is that they're an amplifier of the ticks. If you have more deer, you'll have more ticks. It doesn't mean you'll have more infected ticks."

Jackson said he had spoken to Sacramento-Yolo Mosquito and Vector Control District was told the agency was recently called out to Rancho Murieta to collect and test ticks. None were found to have Lyme disease bacteria, Jackson said.

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I'm glad it's being looked into

I really hope the can do something with or to help the deer.  I joke that I'm going to catch them and put advantix on the "aids deer". 

if we had a over population of snakes and raccoons they would be relocated.  We need to do something with the deer. It used to be a treat to spot and/or watch the deer, now they come up on my front porch almost every night.  I can honestly say that I hate the deer. They will eat my garden right before I harvest or rite before my flowers bloom. Lol.  But the fact that they look so sick and they are so confrontable with approching and attacking people. They are a danger in multiple ways. 

 

Thank you RM for working on this matter. :) 

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A Modest Proposal

(I made this proposal several years ago when the deer population was only a few thousand here in RM. Now, (as I foresaw), we are completely overrun with the garden defiling tick magnets.)

 

As the price of meat is out of reach for some of our populous, and we in Rancho Murieta are being overrun by wildlife (notably Deer and Turkeys), I propose that every golfer be permitted to carry a shotgun in his golf bag (in addition to the maximum allowed 14 clubs).

A limit of 6 Deer and 20 Turkeys per round of golf per golfer would thin out the hoards of garden defiling creatures, and in only a few months we would be down to a few thousand of the skulking, surly varmints. After that we could have a yearly Deer/Turkey hunting golf tournament in order to keep the vermin population to a manageable limit. I know that some golfers would be tempted to fire their shotguns off in their opponent's back swing, and in that case the disturbed golfer would be entitled to place his/her (notice that I am being politically correct) ball 300 yds. down the middle, or if he/she hits the ball further (due to the extra adrenaline induced by the shotgun blast), he/she can play the ball as it lies.

On par 3s shorter than 300 yds. the disturbed player would be able to pick his/her ball up from the next tee box and return it back to the green and place it no closer than 10 ft. from the cup.

I am sure that golf cart drivers will be able to drape the carcasses over the roof of their carts, and in the case of “Real Golfers” (those who walk the course); a cell phone call to the Pro/Gun Shop for a Game pickup would be used.

In the case of a ball coming to rest on a dead varmint, the ball could be dropped 2 shotgun Lengths away at no penalty.

A permit to “GolfHunt” would be issued by the Head Pro after instructions as to the proper etiquette of shotguns, and proof of a clean history of no “accidental” shootings of competitors in the past.

Any bagging of cats and dogs would be discouraged (especially when they are in their own back yard).

Obviously we would have an over abundance of meat which could be sold to one of the large Grocery chains, and the profits could be given 
to the Golf Club to reduce the Club dues.

I am aware that some of the members haven't hunted in a while, and so I propose the driving range could be used as a shooting range after the Golf Ball Pickup Cart is properly armor plated.

I’m sure the noise level on the range would not be an issue, due to the fact that is the noisiest one west of the Mississippi.

 

 

 

 

Beth Buderus's picture
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Birth Control option

I think I like the proposal I came up with and posted about a few times...there is a birth control concoction for the deer and assuming it's available in dart form...I say instead of lethal guns, we shoot them with the drug and also have a paint ball gun to mark them so we don't give them a double dose. 

But unfortunately I just searched on that and deer do have to be captured and the b.c. implanted...so bummers, not an option.

Jeff Barnes's picture
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Deer/RVT

Are you kidding me? When i picked up the RVT and saw an editorial article written by a lady about Rancho not having a deer problem and she then states we dont have any woods, I thougth who could this uninformed individual be? After some discussion with a neighbor , I  was told she lives in the mobil home park across the street from RM. 

Lady- last time i looked out my back yard and walked 36 holes of golf at RM, I believe we are surrounded by WOODS. Its time for you to leave the mobil home park and your asphalt back yard and take a walk thru the gates of RM. You obviously have no clue of what your talking about and need to spend more time researching subjects you comment on in public print. GET A CLUE!

 

Jeff 

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deer problem /Lyme/ RVT article

Excuse me, It was the reply to the editorial in the RVT. 

Jeff 

Lisa Taylor's picture
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Nymphs are out...

....just a warning, I have found two engorged nymphs (baby ticks) on my dog, they are brown dog ticks.  They were found after just a regular walk up Reynosa and around Medella circle, did not go near the park or any fields, and not much deer activity there either (raccoons, yes!).  Looks like the beginning of tick season, at least for this type of tick.  These types of ticks aren't supposed to carry lyme, but they can carry all sorts of nasty other diseases, a variety of rickettsias (sp?), ehrlichia, bartonella, etc.  Keep up with your tick checks!

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