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Glen Munson's picture
Joined: 01/23/2012
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MOTORCYCLES IN RANCHO MURIETA

 Why are the Bikers complaining they knew what he CC&R's where when they moved in to the community. They should be happy that they are allowed on the South. The reason for the difference the South community is setup like a sub-division where as the North community is setup as custom homes. Also look around the North community does not allow wooden fences where as the South community it is almost a requirement. 

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John Dekker's picture
Joined: 08/30/2007
Posts: 46
Motorcycles

I'm not sure what fences and custom homes have to do with the motorcycle issue. I do know that the demographic in RM has radically changed from when it was originally conceived as a retirement community. The times, economic and otherwise, have changed, and I think it's time to allow motorcycles in the North.

The noise problem, if one develops, can be handled by security, just too loud cars are now. The majority of motorcyles are as quite as automobiles are now anyway.

Just because something was done one way in the past is not a good reason to change if circumstances warrant.

Since I live in the North, the fact that motorcyles are allowed in the South does not make me happy or sad, but does point out a basic inequality or unfairness. Unless, of course, you think that motorcycles are OK for lowly subdivisions, but not for custom home communities.

 

 

 

 

Tom Reimers's picture
Joined: 09/07/2008
Posts: 229
Motorcycle Enthusiast's not bikers

GOOD POINTS JOHN!

Thanks for not motorcycle profiling.

Rhonda Papas's picture
Joined: 02/13/2012
Posts: 8
Motorcycles and Scooters in RM

Thank you so much Glen for beginning this conversation.  I must admit, I am the one pushing this.  I bought a scooter 4 years ago when the gas prices went over $4.00 per gallon.  I simply could not afford my daily commute to and from Elk Grove.  My scooter gets 62 miles per gallon vs. 20 in my car.  Now it seems that gas prices are heading that way again and I am going to have to start riding it again.  My problem is this:  I am physically unable to load it by myself on my trailer - I did buy one so I could bring my scoot home.  Unfortunately, it is more difficult that it looks to load a 500 lb scooter.

I work for a local school district and the budget cuts have drastically affected our salary.  I am making was I did 12 years ago and as stated on O'Reilly tonight, gas prices then were under $2.00 per gallon.  I thought about moving out of the community, but was unable to because of the property values here and what has happened in the housing market.  I do know of several people that have moved out of RM because of the policy and I know of one right now that would love to move into RM North but won't because of the policy. 

When I moved to RM 22 years ago, the CC&R's did have this provision in them.  However, I didn't pay much attention because it didn't affect me and I would NEVER ride a motorcycle because it is unsafe.  Well, things change and evolve.  As stated earlier, this is no longer simply a retirement community.  Many families live here.  In fact, many teenagers live here that like to hang out at the gazebo area.  After reading the RVT, I look at the security log and I am concerned about the security of my scooter.  I know others have similar concerns.  If you think about it we are not able to charge our batteries, check our tire pressure, or clean our bikes.  These are expensive items and need to be taken care of just like golf carts and classic cars.

When I moved here 22 years ago, there was no south area where people lived.  There was only a golf course.  When they let motorcyclists ride to their homes on the South side, they did so because someone was going to pull out of escrow.  This is only my opinion, but once they let it happen on the South, they need to let it happen on the North.  (I believe the fence issue should be the same as well.)  By allowing things on one side and not the other a "class" system is created.  This is not right.  If you read the 14th amendment of the constitution, it says that "rights must be equal within the same jurisdiction."  We may have two sides but we have one community, run by one association, one set of bylaws, and one board.  Per the Sacramento Fair Housing Commission, you cannot discriminate against one segment of the community.

All we are asking for is to be able to ride our motorcycles/scooters to our home.  It will get the "eyesore" away from the front entry gate and make it incredibly easier for us to ride.  If you check with security, they do not have problems or calls regarding people riding their motorcycles to their home on the South side.  As was stated above, if it is a noise issue, then that will be dealt with on an individual basis just as a loud car would be. 

We are licensed and insured drivers.  We obey the law.  If we don't, give us a ticket, just like anyone else.  Why is this so difficult to understand?  We are not bad people.  In fact, we want to meet everyone in Rancho Murieta (North and South) that rides.  We have created a meetup site called Rancho Murieta Riders.  We are having our first community ride on March 4th.  We will meet at the gazebo at 10 am and head toward the hills.

As you can tell, I am somewhat passionate about this.  I truly do not understand the problem in my riding my scooter home.  Again, thank you Glen for prompting the dialogue.

Rhonda Papas's picture
Joined: 02/13/2012
Posts: 8
Motorcycles and Scooters in RM

Thank you so much Glen for beginning this conversation.  I must admit, I am the one pushing this.  I bought a scooter 4 years ago when the gas prices went over $4.00 per gallon.  I simply could not afford my daily commute to and from Elk Grove.  My scooter gets 62 miles per gallon vs. 20 in my car.  Now it seems that gas prices are heading that way again and I am going to have to start riding it again.  My problem is this:  I am physically unable to load it by myself on my trailer - I did buy one so I could bring my scoot home.  Unfortunately, it is more difficult that it looks to load a 500 lb scooter.

I work for a local school district and the budget cuts have drastically affected our salary.  I am making was I did 12 years ago and as stated on O'Reilly tonight, gas prices then were under $2.00 per gallon.  I thought about moving out of the community, but was unable to because of the property values here and what has happened in the housing market.  I do know of several people that have moved out of RM because of the policy and I know of one right now that would love to move into RM North but won't because of the policy. 

When I moved to RM 22 years ago, the CC&R's did have this provision in them.  However, I didn't pay much attention because it didn't affect me and I would NEVER ride a motorcycle because it is unsafe.  Well, things change and evolve.  As stated earlier, this is no longer simply a retirement community.  Many families live here.  In fact, many teenagers live here that like to hang out at the gazebo area.  After reading the RVT, I look at the security log and I am concerned about the security of my scooter.  I know others have similar concerns.  If you think about it we are not able to charge our batteries, check our tire pressure, or clean our bikes.  These are expensive items and need to be taken care of just like golf carts and classic cars.

When I moved here 22 years ago, there was no south area where people lived.  There was only a golf course.  When they let motorcyclists ride to their homes on the South side, they did so because someone was going to pull out of escrow.  This is only my opinion, but once they let it happen on the South, they need to let it happen on the North.  (I believe the fence issue should be the same as well.)  By allowing things on one side and not the other a "class" system is created.  This is not right.  If you read the 14th amendment of the constitution, it says that "rights must be equal within the same jurisdiction."  We may have two sides but we have one community, run by one association, one set of bylaws, and one board.  Per the Sacramento Fair Housing Commission, you cannot discriminate against one segment of the community.

All we are asking for is to be able to ride our motorcycles/scooters to our home.  It will get the "eyesore" away from the front entry gate and make it incredibly easier for us to ride.  If you check with security, they do not have problems or calls regarding people riding their motorcycles to their home on the South side.  As was stated above, if it is a noise issue, then that will be dealt with on an individual basis just as a loud car would be. 

We are licensed and insured drivers.  We obey the law.  If we don't, give us a ticket, just like anyone else.  Why is this so difficult to understand?  We are not bad people.  In fact, we want to meet everyone in Rancho Murieta (North and South) that rides.  We have created a meetup site called Rancho Murieta Riders.  We are having our first community ride on March 4th.  We will meet at the gazebo at 10 am and head toward the hills.

As you can tell, I am somewhat passionate about this.  I truly do not understand the problem in my riding my scooter home.  Again, thank you Glen for prompting the dialogue.

Thomas Latta's picture
Joined: 08/09/2007
Posts: 8
motorcycles on the north

Thanks John for your enlighted opinion    

I just think its time to do a workaround that will allow responsbile adult resident bike owners to ingress and egress both the North and the South. 

I'm guessing that between the North and South there are at least 100 homeowner / resident motorcycle riders whose needs just aren't being met.  Many would like to ride their two wheelers to work but its just too inconvenient.

I understand the concern about noise but c'mon folks........how about the gas powered leaf blowers that sometimes go on and on and on.......for 20 to 25 minutes or more.  A motorcycle idling past your house is gone within seconds.

Everything to do with motorcycles can be dealt with to the satisfaction of most of the community.  I'm pushing 70 and realize that its time........its the right thing to do.

Ingress and egress only is a good place to start.

Resident riders only......all motorcycle visitors to the North park at the Gazebo ( thats really what its for isn't it....guest parking ? )

I'm not sure what the next step is but its time for wiser heads to figure this one out...................and yes I do own and ride a motorcycle...

 

 

 

 

Glen Munson's picture
Joined: 01/23/2012
Posts: 4
MOTORCYCLES IN RANCHO MURIETA

THOSE KIND OF PEOPLE (BIKERS) DON'T BELONG IN RANCHO MURIETA. IT IS BAD ENOUGH THAT MOTORCYCLES ARE ALLOWED  ON THE SOUTH THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED BACK. WHY IS THE SOUTH ALWAYS TREATED LIKE THE RED HEADED STEP-CHILD?  HOW CAN YOU COMPARE A CUSTOM CAR TO A MOTORCYCLE THAT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE GOOD SENSE. SO WHAT IF THINGS HAVE CHANGED I HAVE LIVED IN RANCHO MURIETA FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS. YOU KNEW WHAT THE CC&R'S WERE WHEN YOU MOVED HERE, IF YOU DIDN'T PAY ATTENSION THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM. iF YOU WANT YOUR BIKE SO BAD MOVE OUT TO SACRAMENTO. 

Tom Reimers's picture
Joined: 09/07/2008
Posts: 229
Motorcycles in the North

Glen Munson,  your openmindedness is refreshing.

John Dekker's picture
Joined: 08/30/2007
Posts: 46
Motorcycles in the North

Mr. Munson:

Please tell us, what other kinds of people should not be allowed in the North?

We all knew what the CC&Rs were when we moved here, we are simply asking for a vote to change them.

BTW, you might try using a little punctuation, spell check, and upper and lower case to make your interesting posts more readable.

 

 

 

 

John Hein's picture
Joined: 08/07/2007
Posts: 353
Wow

Sometimes, even I am surprised by comments made by my other neighbors. Although I am tired of the Harley that comes up the street every morning at 4:45 a.m. I hear cars that are just as bad. Mr. Munsons comments in his latest  post are pretty much unbelievable. I am shocked that a neighbor would make those comments.. I completely agree with the responses to this post. Can you say something to the effect of outrageous!!! If not I can.

 

John Hein

Jay Corsaut's picture
Joined: 03/13/2008
Posts: 12
No one, other than a "Hog" rider likes to hear a loud motorcycle

 In remote New England villages where I used to race Enduro motorcycles, we were licensed and monitored by the local constabulary for sound and safety (speed and recklessness). The sanctioning body, (the New England Trail Riders Assoc.), would take our racing license away if we were guilty of loud sounds or reckless riding .

We had to ride past a hand held noise monitor in second gear before every race. Too loud. No race.
Some of the trails went though farm yards where you had to open and shut gates and avoid children and animals.
I would think that the same type of riding would apply here at Rancho Murieta.
If a person wants to ride a motorcycle here he could receive a permit by showing the motorcycle can pass a sound test.
A "Chopper" that sounds like a P-51 taking off would have to be parked at the gate.

 

Barbara Halpin's picture
Joined: 08/11/2007
Posts: 24
Prejudice - 2012

When I read Glen Munson's posting, "THOSE KIND OF PEOPLE (BIKERS) DON'T BELONG IN RANCHO MURIETA"  I first thought, is this 2012?

My second thought; oh my goodness, does this person live on my street?  It appears Mr. Munson lives in RM south; I live in the north, and we are still neighbors.

 What kind of hateful, bigoted words is he spewing?  This only reflects his prejudice and ignorance of the motorcycle riders of today. 

If Mr. Munson would open his mind; he would find "THOSE KIND OF PEOPLE (BIKERS)" are nurses, teachers, social workers, healthcare workers and business men and women.  They are his neighbors.

Janet Nicholson's picture
Joined: 10/28/2007
Posts: 235
I agree, Jay

It's not the motorcycle I mind (though personally I hate them), it's just the noise that's an issue for me.  (And it sounds like there's at least one on the South that wouldn't pass the noise test.)  The kinds of limitations you describe, Jay, make it clear that we could work out an acceptable solution that would allow folks to ride their motorcycles from the gate to home and back.  It seems reasonable in this day and age.

I also agree with an earlier post that gardeners with blowers are the same kind of nuisance and there should be sound limitations on them as well.

 

Shelley Wright's picture
Joined: 10/14/2007
Posts: 110
Motorcycles

What concerns me is the assumption that everyone will be "responsible" and that "violators" will be handled by Security.  Security "handling" issues is a problem in itself.  Even though motorcycles are not allowed at this time, we have someone behind us that roars up and down the street and security logs will only state "UTL", "GOA", or "BOLO". 

 

David Fields's picture
Joined: 10/14/2009
Posts: 177
Motorcycles In RM North

I would rather hear a passing motorcycle than having to listen to the neighborhood dogs bark for hours on end.

David Fields

Ed Moran's picture
Joined: 11/15/2007
Posts: 53
Motorcycles

Oh sure lets compound it.

Karen Best's picture
Joined: 06/01/2011
Posts: 26
Motorcycles

I agree with Shelly, security cannot control everything that goes on here.  I watch the golf carts speeding from the country club and running the stop signs turning right or left every day.  I hear tires squeeling in the middle of the night, those who want to break the laws will.

We are new to this gorgeous, peaceful haven, one year and 3 weeks.  AND we bought here for two reasons, the beauty and no motorcycles.  Having moved from South Sacramento where there is no "law", this is heaven and I read the cc&r's thoroughly before I bought. 

 

Karen Best

David Voss's picture
Joined: 09/05/2007
Posts: 71
Motorcycles - Awesome!

I use to ride back in the mid 70's.  Great fun on the road!  I can hardly wait to get a set of V&H exhausts on a '74 Harley Sportser.   Look them up, they are the best you can buy.  You want to be heard so no one changes lanes when your passing them.   I'm sure that we will have a bunch of young riders in North and South having fun over our new bridge and in the back roads, too.  Great days and memories running the dunes on my Hodaka 100 down on the American River by Watt Avenue back in '71.  I'm sure that there will be a lot of memories for others in the back area of Rancho Murieta should we allow motorcycles.  It's going to be awesome!   I can see CSD running around trying to catch people in their CSD SUV's.

All true and great memories........no way do I want motorcycles in Rancho Murieta.  Those days are past and I did look at the CC&R's when I moved here in '87. 

Chris Yacoub's picture
Joined: 11/30/2007
Posts: 64
Motorcycles - Awesome!

I think Mr. Voss has a great point, and we need to expand on it. I too remember the great fun we had had on the road. We could hardly wait to install the Hooker Super Comp open headers on my buddies 1967 Mustang Fastback. Look them up. They were the best (and loudest) you could buy. You want to be heard so that anyone in the neighboring town knows when you start your car. And if they couldn’t hear our engine, we made sure that they would hear our obscenely loud music being pumped out through speakers that filled our entire trunk, and in some cases back seat. I’m sure there will be lots of young drivers that will have a blast drag racing up and down Murieta Parkway. And we can’t forget the many great memories driving through construction lots in our lifted Jeeps, and Toyota pickups. I’m sure there will be lots of memories for others in the back area of Murieta doing donuts in the Lake Clementia parking lot, and racing along the dirt fire trails down by the Consumes river should we continue to allow automobiles of any kind in Rancho Murieta. It’s going to be awesome! I can see CSD running around trying to catch these tricked out cars in their CSD SUV’s.

I also remember the great days we had as kids “t.p.ing” our neighbors yards, and egging the cars of those neighbors that we felt were trying to ruin our fun. Why just a month ago, I walked out in the morning only to see my neighbors tree covered in toilet paper.

All true, and great memories…no way do I want cars, toilet paper, eggs, or music in Rancho Murieta. Those days are past, and I did look at the CC&R’s when I moved here, and I am positive that all of the activities I mentioned above are strictly forbidden by them. By banning motorcycles, cars, toilet paper, eggs, and music, we will assure that we all are able to enjoy the quality of life that our CC&R’s were designed to provide.

David Voss's picture
Joined: 09/05/2007
Posts: 71
Motorcycles - Awesome

LOL!!!  :)  Well said Mr. Yacoub...but I still don't care to have the motorcycle activity.  Just one person's point of view and respecting yours!!

Janet Nicholson's picture
Joined: 10/28/2007
Posts: 235
I think Mr. Yacoub agreed with you

Mr. Voss, I may crazy (don't anyone answer that), but I think, in his final paragraph, Mr. Yacoub agreed with you about not having motorcycles in RM.

David Voss's picture
Joined: 09/05/2007
Posts: 71
Motorcycles - Awesome!

A very witty writer, Mr. Yacoub, to be able to foster 2 very different interpretations!!!  :)

Mike Burnett's picture
Joined: 07/31/2007
Posts: 183
Motorcycles in RM

It is great to hear neighbors reminicing about their youthful endeavors, but it is not relevant to the discussion at hand.

If eveyone has really read the CC&R's then they would know that Motorcycles are allowed in RM North.  Let me repeat myself to help the old timers, Motorcycles are allowed in RM North.  They simply have some specific restrictions, just as in the South. 

Another point that irritates me to no end, is all CC&R's have a section specifying how they can be amended.  No CC&R's are perfect and times change, even the US Consitution have the abiility to be amended.  So stop telling people you read the CC&R's and tto leave the community, you are only showing your ignorant, prejudiced, and unsubstantiated beliefs.

All of the crazy antics espoused in some of the posts are not happening within the RM PUD (Planned unit Development) with some exceptions.  One exception was a Director on the RMBOD had a Pickup Truck without a cover over the truck bed (a CC&R Vilolation) and had headers installed with dual exhaust which made a very load roar and was in violation of CA DMV.  So you keep referring to when you were all young and dumb, but some of those same antics are being performed by your neighbors today and they are baby boomers, not teenagers.

One person commented on the speeding golf carts comming from the Country Club.  These are also NOT Teenagers or Motorcylcists.

Comon people, get off your high horse and stop misrepresenting this issue.

RMA residents already have dirt bikes, off road vehicles, and suped up roadsters.  But they are respectful of the community and don't create the havoc that is recited on this post.  If the CC&R's were amended to allow DMV registered two wheeled vehicles to enter the gate and go to their homes, what makes you think they wouldn't respect that right.

There are a lot more motorcyles in RM North than the ones you see parked in the front Park.  The newer motorcyles need to be on a trickle charger like your golf carts and would drain their battery if left in the front park.  All they want is to park their expensive motorcyles in their garage.   

All that is really required is to change the Parking rule to allow motorcyles to be parked in the owner's garage. 

Chris Yacoub's picture
Joined: 11/30/2007
Posts: 64
Motorcycles in RM

Mr. Voss -

Thank you. We do have differing opinions (I respect yours as well), and I'm glad that you saw the humor in my post. It was a ridiculously sarcastic response, that while indirectly offering my opinion on the matter, was really meant more for my own amusement, and anyone else who read it, and got a little laugh out of it. I was not really intending to make a political, moral, ethical, religious or any other kind of statement.

Mrs. Nicholson -

In no way am I agreeing that motorcycles don't belong in Rancho Murieta. I own 3 of them myself, and do my best to ride responsibly to my house each time I enter the South Gates. I do think that the people who ride on the North deserve this same right.

Mr. Burnett -

See above two comments. I agree that the Motorcycle CC&R issue is a serious one, however, my post was not meant to be.

Steven Mobley's picture
Joined: 08/07/2007
Posts: 261
Bike Fest

This issue keeps coming up every couple of years. I don't know if the motor cycle riding residents would respect the noise laws, or not, while riding inside North Rancho Murieta. My last couple of decades in law enforcement indicate otherwise. Modifying a motorcycles exhaust system in violation of federal, state and local laws has seemed the norm. One can hear evidence of this on Jackson Highway every weekend.  The Harley/sport bike riding enthusiasts seem to always modify their exhaust systems. They then form up riding groups, like has already happened here, and meet early in the morning on the weekends before their "leisure" rides.

This begs the following question; can you imagine living next door to one of these folk when their "pack" arrives early on a Saturday or Sunday morning for their weekend ride? They like to travel in packs of 3-10 bikes, or more. They spend an enormous amount of time '"warming" and reving their bikes for the ride, tweakling their idle speed, scratching themselves etc... That sort of activity makes for a very loud and obnoxious weekend morning for their neighbors. There may be a few responsible caring folks who ride their bikes only to work to save money, but the vast majority I've encountered are "retired" aged guys driving obnoxiously loud $25-$35K "ego" bikes. I had the extreme displeasure of living near such people at my previous residence some 14 years ago. I don't wish that on anyone, but If the majority of the membership votes on it, I'll accept it. If not, the folks desiring the rule change knew the rules when they bought their Rancho Murieta home.

 

Steven Mobley - Resident

Preserve Rancho Murieta

Mike Burnett's picture
Joined: 07/31/2007
Posts: 183
Motorcycles

Steve,

It seems like years since we traded comments on rm.com, hope you are doing well.

Unfortunately, ou have just confirmed the type of single minded mentality that I was objecting to.  Everyone can see the worst in a situation, because that is what they are sensitive to.  If ten motorcyles rode by you intermittantly and one of them was a Harley modified as you described, with a rider decked out in leathers, then which of the motorcyclists woud you rremember and comment to your neighors about.......?  However, you don't even notice the other nine motorcyclists.

One of the RM neighbors was commenting on her Vespa and how she would like to be able to ride it to and from her home.  One of my friends at work also drives a Vespa to and from his home his home in North Canyan, Folsom.  We have all types or motorcylces in RM.  We have professional people living in our community that would like to ride their motorcycles to and from their home and they are no different than you or I.  I believe they would be respectful to their neighbors and community and addhere to good behavior.  It is not the mortorcyle that  is the bad element, it is the indiviual that thatt can be bad.  If we had that type of person in our community, then we would all hear about it and read in the security blogs. 

Do you actually believe that letting neighbors ride to and from their house would create anarchy?  Personally, I don't believe you do.  We are not dealing with miscreants, we are talking about our friends and neighbors in RM. 

What message do you think our community sends by having all those motorcyles on display in the front park.  If I didn't know better, I would think there was a gang of cyclists occupying the park.

We are all better than this and need to yank our heads out of our you know what.

Steven Mobley's picture
Joined: 08/07/2007
Posts: 261
Moto 2

Mike,

All is well, hope the same with you. If you'd ride over to the front gazebo, you'd find a great many of those bikes have modified exhaust systems, including the couple of crotch rockets. This isn't just a Harley thing, it's an enthusiast thing. Motor cycle riders are generally gearheads by nature and performance enthusiasts. A few years back, when this subject was broached for the second or third time since I moved here 14 years ago, even Elliot Severe acknowledged he changed his bikes exhaust system to make it louder etc... I based my arguement upon decades of experience / observation, decades. I used to own a few bikes myself. All were modified within months of being purchased.

I'm not "single-minded" as you have tried to identify/color me, I'm just pointing out my experiences and I'm certain many others share the same. As you've obviously noticed lately, some Rancho Murietan's don't believe our rules are meant for them. No, I would prefer we not change the rule. Why chance adding to the noise problems we already face with the blowers, mowers, weed whackers etc....? I like the quiet, peaceful nature we presently enjoy in the North. Let's preserve it.

 

Steven Mobley - Resident

Steven W King's picture
Joined: 09/16/2010
Posts: 249
Just an idea...

I see both sides of the issue on this topic and I feel to a degree like I agree with both sides. I live in the South where motorcycles are permitted and I do have to add that the cycles are few and when I do see them they are riding responsibly and alone. I have never seen a "pack" of riders or a staging place for a great weekend ride occur. Much less the revving and swearing and loud music. But that isn't to say those are unrealistic concerns. I beleive they are very realistic and very possible at any given time. I have lived in other neighborhoods where the neighbors were avid riders and their bikes were obnoxiously loud when started up and driving away. I always wished they would never return! (not the riders, just the noisy motorcycles) But that hasn't happened here. Just a few motorcycle enthusiests riding by at a safe and quiet speed. Perfectly acceptable to me.

But in this case, the North does not permit motorcycles and is hearing from a group who would like to bring them into their own garages instead of the parking lot at the park. I agree that it is unsightly when entering the North gate. It looks terrible. First you see the park, then you notice all these black or grey blobs that you soon realize are motorcycles covered with protective covers. Pretty ugly...

Here's my two cents on a remedy:

Why can't the North residents who own motorcycles and wish to ride them to their homes on Murieta roadways apply for a permit just as we do for a driveway variance allowing addition parking outside the garage? RMA can inspect (including listening to noise levels) if necessary, hand out a rules program and approve or disapprove of the application that would be good from X-month to Y-month and last for one year. After which it would need to be renewed. If a certain rider has speeding problems or likes to create havoc then residents can file a request for revocation of his/her permit and RMA can disallow that particular motorcycle from going beyond the parking lot storage area. The responsible riders could have their cycles at home and the irresponsible riders, if any, lose their privilege and may re-apply the next calender year. RMA could also implement rules for concerned citizens such as no outside residents allowed to ride inside Murieta which would go a long way to prevent group meet points at residents' homes early on Saturday or Sunday mornings.  It would raise some small revenues for RMA to pay for the program, would reward safe riders and would beautify our North entrance.

Just a thought...

Barbara Halpin's picture
Joined: 08/11/2007
Posts: 24
Motorcycles - thank you - a voice of reason

What I believe to be the primary concern is motorcycle noise. What Steve is suggesting is very doable. 
 
Establishing a registration process that would include noise level requirements seems to address this concern. Only motorcycles that meet the noise standard would be issued gate passes (like we all have on our cars). Those motorcycles that do not meet the noise standard would continue to park at the Gazebo. 
 
Like our existing car gate passes, only residents would be issued these motorcycle passes and “non-resident” motorcycles would be denied entrance. I truly believe there is a compromise here; one that meets resident concerns regarding noise but also enables our motorcycle owners access to their homes and bike storage in a safe and secure environment of their garages.

 

Doug Lewis's picture
Joined: 08/08/2007
Posts: 165
The Wild One

When I had my motorcycle and came to the North side from the South side I often wondered what would happen if I didnt turn left upon entering the North gates.  Would it take ten feet,  a hundred feet or even more before the transformation occurred.  Thankfully we have neighbors to warn us about what could have happened.  Like scenes from the Brando movie WILD ONE I could have been transformed into a pack of Rebelous bikers.  Children could have been dragged from their homes,  tulips and dafodils torn limb to limb by hordes of malicious irresponsible adults balancing precariously on two wheels.   Open displays of alcohol and drinking may have happened with men and women alike gathering to brag and boast about their mutually admired hobby...oh wait a minute thats the 19th hole......wrong group.......

These pesty biker hoodlims and misfits should sell their"Ego" bikes and spend the money on less ego enhancing dreams such as building  a huge house,or  buy an expensive golf cart, join an exclusive country club, or something else that isnt based on working hard to achieve things in life that one wants.  Once we can get everyone in line and convince them that hobbies, interests, dreams, individualism etc are all demons of the ego we can all sit on the curb and watch the weedwhackers for excitement. 

Seriously though...Its a motorcycle folks.  Not a national threat.  Set noise restrictions, set hours of operation, restrain access to residents....but let folks take their rides all the way to their garage just like you get to drive your car, truck, gas golf cart, motorhomes (limited), to your door.  I for one dont see this leading to the Rebels Muchachos gang (RM for short) taking over the streets or minds of Rancho Murieta.  

 

Doug Lewis

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